In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. The only marks are "NAVY ARMS CO" on the left side of the frame and on the barrel top flat, on the right side of the barrel "MADE IN ITALY" and the letters "GU" in script. My first thoughts are that they may be Section 1 firearms so I would recommend that you go to a local firearms dealer and ask his advice if you do not have them on FAC. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. They were produced by Gregorelli and Uberti. HT=0+ @|7IqE.sQ"$9>tB}vUe&iF=P[mEjo(lHBRAu)0u^Y_8Ii)uLBAo*3 3SL*l4r_g[#}eF9ihFCym>s@MRFzaVLz8 A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. This mark was also introduced in 1950. The rifle had the caliber marked just behind the rear sight on top of the barrel as "45 COLT." The left side of the barrel had the importer's name and Uberti's name tastefully small. I find the Uberti's closer to the originals , and the new CNC forged frames appeal to my idea of greater strength & closer tolerances. 0000062843 00000 n The only lettering on the gun is on the left side of the barrel and reads BLACK POWDER ONLY-MADE IN ITALY-CALIBER 36. Cherry's Fine Guns Home Page Commemorative Firearms, https://www.colt.com/Customer-Services/Archive-Services, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel. Likewise, many of the Winchester or Sharps rifle clones will have been manufactured in the same area. As a result, the NRA is forced to restrict the sending of certain materials and information into California. 0000105711 00000 n Rooster Cogburn. I like the Uberti's use of discrete placement of proof marks. Can anyone help? Remingtons bullet had a slight shoulder, which was part of the problem. 0000011515 00000 n California recently rushed through legislation making it unlawful to communicate to those under 18 about broad categories of firearms, parts, and accessories. is 1350. HMo09..0pl4jub(FZf=~$ABP(XLP Thanks. 1) An example of a full set of Proof and makers marks on a Pedersoli pistol. UBERTI ITALY and the serial number. It was sold through Beeman's catalog in 1984. A copy of a shipping manifest dated December 23, 1986 from Aldo Uberti & Co. to Colt Industries Firearms Division (Charter Oak Blvd, W. Hartford CT 06119 USA) detailing Italian Goods to be Exported. 0000050678 00000 n To become a member $3 for one day $7 one month or $15 one year, One-of-a-Kinds ~ Antique and Collectibles, Metal Shank Buttons with Victorian Design. You are using an out of date browser. The first proof mark, which appears on all weapons produced in Italy since 1950, is a star within a wavy edged circle (I have seen this described as lands and grooves of rifling) above a crest in a shield. If thats not true and the dull case coloring offends you, rub the parts with cold blue and call it good. The overbuffing also left a depression, sometimes called a hog wallow, where the barrel met the 5-inch sleeve at the muzzle. <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>> As with all previously owned firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance standards. 0000028135 00000 n weight - 7.4 pounds (Carbine), 8.2 pounds (Sporting Rifle) 2006 MSRP - $900. The Italian proof marks should have a rectangular or square box with a date code in it. Barrel is marked "Navy Arms Ridgefield NJ - Italy" and the upper tang is marked "CAL 22 LR". how to tell Pedersoli from Pietta on 1858 Remington New Army - Gunloads.com Thanks for the info Gaz. The design was sold to the US Government, but it was never adopted for use by the military despite being a mechanically sound firearm. In our October 2015 issue, we took a hard look at the Henry Repeating Arms Original Rifle in a test that included a Winchester 1892, both rifles in 44-40 WCF. Notably, there are some minor spots of tarnish on the trigger guard and some handling wear at the muzzle. 2) It is not unusual to find one or more of the Proof marks lightly stamped. To view prices realized you must be an "Archives Member". Hi, Dennis Barrel Length:9.5, Half-Round, Half-Octagonal. 1860. The top tang of the action held the designation MOD. 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The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. 0000051690 00000 n The edges between them were sharp enough and, sighting along the flats, we found them to be dead level. there is no calibre or name on it. A copy of a letter dated June 6, 1988 on the Aldo Uberti & Co. letterhead to Kevin Cherry (Cherrys, 2703 High Point Rd., Greensboro, NC 27403) showing the model (all are single action rev.), barrel length (4 , 5 , 7 and 10 inches) and caliber (.44 Mag., .22Conv., .22 LR and .22 CAL), and serial numbers of 65 revolvers. The recently introduced line of firearms from Palmetto Arms is marked with the company logo of a palm tree within a circle, sometimes followed by the name, PALMETTO. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)/*Uberti dating/proofing codes. - The Firing Line Forums 0000002293 00000 n If you can send some pics of the guns and close ups of the marks to the magazine they should forward them to me and I may be able to help. If you don't Facebook PM me the details of the rifle and I'll make sure he gets it. Strong main spring. Top of the barrel says "wesson" right side, looking down range says .50 cal black powder only. The proof marks are described in Table 2. I was recently given an Italian made.58 Remington 1863 "Zouave". Heres what we found. It may not display this or other websites correctly. UBERTI & C. GARDONE V.T. Did that Dawg,nothing.There is a serial number on the receiver right in front of the lever and below the carrier and a proof mark above the carrier.There are two proof marks on the barrel and a roman numeral just in front of the receiver.Nothing on the tangs at all.It had a lever safety on it a onetime and someone took . Stock Configuration & Condition/ Grip:The stocks are two-piece smooth wood featuring a forend and pistol grip. 35 0 obj <> endobj Copyright 2023 Aceville Publications Ltd.Registration number: 04109672 | Registered Office Address: 185 Fleet Street, London, England, EC4A 2HS, . Every percussion revolver that Colt made has been reproduced by one or other of these companies. 0000003341 00000 n All markings are from Italy in 1982. Thank you. serial # 7996. The manual had the mumbo-jumbo we mentioned in our earlier report about where the lever ought to be during the loading process, and we again state that it doesnt matter where you put the lever when you load the rifle. Model: . Box 275, McGregor, IA 52157, ~ Ring Us at 563-873-2387 or TOll Free at 866-259-9172. We suspect itd be a delight with black powder. Simi Valley, CA 93065. Uberti/Colt Prototype Single Action Revolvers | Colt Forum 0000001196 00000 n The markings remain clear. 5) The palm tree logo of Palmetto Arms. 0000002052 00000 n A chart of Italian proof marks is Attachment 1. We cleaned the Uberti and went right to work at the range, and the rifle did all it could to please us. 0000001770 00000 n It will come as no surprise then to find that the Italian Proof House is also in the valley. There have been few days since my arrival here in late 1977, that I have not carried a gun, either on my hip, or beneath my left armpit. Unlike the other rifle, this one came with a comprehensive yet brief manual that told how to operate it all. r2 e< 1{Vk)} It was made in 1980 and has all of the standard proof marks but I don't know who manufactured the rifle. The Winchester won a clear victory in that head-to-head test of lever actions, but we were intrigued by the Henry nonetheless. The left side of the frame has Italian proof marks. The Henry rifle worked well enough but had a nasty job of overbuffing, we thought, that gave the brass action a mirror polish at the expense of destroying the edges of the octagonal flats of the barrel. Click Here to log in. 0000007839 00000 n 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. 0000078548 00000 n on the underside of the barrel there is 2 5 on the bore and 5 2 on the breech. I take it that it was made in 1979, which sounds right, I bought it used in the early 1980's. It is a well made old gun. The same rulses are more or less applied today. #6. In October 2016, I spotted another Uberti/Colt .44 Magnum on the Guns International web site (, No comments permitted but if you like Colt revolvers take a look. 2405 PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun since 1856 Birmingham provisional proof for barrels since 1637 London definitive black powder proof for shotguns,muzzle loader barrels 1811-1892 Liege black powder proof for rifles 1897-1923 Liege black powder proof for rifles 2) It is not unusual to find one or more of the Proof marks lightly stamped. Ubertis 1860 Henry Rifle Trumps Henrys Original Lever-Action Note! maybe I can get a little more info. The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. OCT. 16. On the top of the barrel, an inch in front of the rear sight, was PATENT. That was another problem with the $900-more-costly Henry version. Finally, as a collector of antique weapons, I have to say that I would not like these marks to be omitted entirely. We found the barrel flats to be properly done. There were a good many very small "family shops" in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy . Only flaw I noticed is the screw securing the wedge is a bit off center to the left. Our first glance at the Uberti test model was extremely satisfying. 0000037734 00000 n 0000004339 00000 n Uberti makes five versions of this rifle. -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk Pedersoli have changed their logo a couple of times since the late 1950s but for the last forty or so years it has remained the same. 0000009592 00000 n 0 0000067226 00000 n Even has the same box. If you shoot a reproduction muzzle loading pistol or rifle, the chances are it was made in the Brescia area of northern Italy. That's your build date. thank you. Cylinder tight when trigger pulled all the way back. 36 made in itlay. February 18, 2016 in SASS Wire. The rifle did not seem to require a break-in period to deburr it, as had the other one. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. Joseph Rider, Remingtons Chief Designer, modified Geigers design into a pistol in 1866. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B ITALY. 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As a young boy I had the privilege of hunting rabbits with my great grandfathers Henry rifle that belonged to his father and now belonged gs to my Uncle. Mine is just as you described yours, except that between the lever and lifter screws on the bottom of the receiver is the familiar Uberti symbol, A "U" inside the muzzle end of an octagon barrel. But when you close the lever to the firing position, that round is not brought up into battery. Behind that were two Italian proof marks. Length of pull - 13 1/8" (to center of buttplate) Approx. 0000004123 00000 n +J+J+J+J4+J4+Ji4F`4F`4fCg~1x:4lCC6a` ? ? I suspect your CR is really a poor stamping of CB, which would be 2007. All are very friendly, and if any of you have a problem with the way your weapon percolates, there will be at least a half dozen guys who have experienced the same problems, and they will be delighted to help with advice. PROOF MARKS: BRITISH PROOF MARKS - ENGLAND, cont. 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n 0000052569 00000 n When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. 0000110238 00000 n Looking at these 1860s point by point, we realized we were looking for a rifle that would trump Henrys Henry and it would be no easy task for the Uberti to take down the namesake 1860. 0000007663 00000 n It had an extremely heavy trigger pull. From these humble beginnings has grown an industry catering for the needs of shooters, re-enactors and collectors Worldwide. Just wondering what firm F.A.R.A was/is? We accomplished that with a Sharpie, and that helped our groups. shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing, CAS, Cars, Traveling Model:Replica Remington Rolling Block Pistol, Year of Manufacture:1975, Italian date code AA, Action Type:Single-Shot Rolling-Block style Pistol with Extractor. Nov 8, 2007. It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. Uberti offers versions of all three Colt Dragoon revolvers in their line-up and the one we have here is a standard civilian Second model. Black powder firearms | Muzzle Loading Rifle Reviews | Gun Mart Every lawbreaker we allow into our nation, or tolerate in our citizen population leads to the further escalation of law breaking of all kinds and acceptance of evil. Listed were 65 breech load revolvers (Stallion, Cattleman, Buckhorn and Phantom model names) and one muzzle load revolver Paterson prototype. The right side of the receiver is marked with the serial number "08270" and features Italian proofs including the date code "AF". Two more Rifle models come in the same chamberings (342370 in 44-40 and 342360 in 45 Colt) and have the same barrel lengths as the brass ones, but they display case-hardened frames and levers and blued buttplates and list for $30 more. 0000006802 00000 n 0000001485 00000 n The main difference between Taylor's and Cimirron will be the Importer's Marks. "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not" - Thomas Jefferson. 22 HORNET. Pietta serial number Question | The Muzzleloading Forum For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Our handloads were a touch hotter than the PMC, and maybe shot a touch better. Black Powder Date Codes. 0000039614 00000 n Prior to 1954 the year of proof was stamped on the guns in Arabic numerals, but this new coding system was introduced around the time of the first reproductions. I am aware of the 1861 Whitney and the Spiller and Burr. "When tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty" Thomas Jefferson, http://powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf, ORANGE COUNTY REGULATORS,UP THE CREEK GANG ,LIFE MEMBER OF JACKSON HOLE REGULATORS,DOOLEY GANG,PRAYER POSSE, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, Wild Bunch Rules Committee, Chisum Cowboys, NRA Life member; Eagle Scout, Circle K Regulators, DbarD Wranglers, Boot Hill Regulators,Matamoros Mavericks. I think it is a new Army 1858 but the Navy Arms on the top of barrel confuses me. Written and photographed by Ray Ordorica, using evaluations from Gun Tests team testers. These are very scarce and near impossible to find in such fine original condition.
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