%PDF-1.7 % The one thing the alternatives have in common, if you bring them to a logical conclusion is.Charlie isn't ultimately responsible ! Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? Tate said Reeve was very, very helpful in Tates private investigation. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi? William Weston said Hatami mentioned the name Reeve Whitson four times in his testimony at the Manson trialNo he did not. I can't believe people are trashing O'Neill's book. That dude killed 50+ women and bargained for his life. If I had, they probably would have run to a lot more posts than the many that certain of the threads did ! William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. Since Reeve was a CIA agent posing as a hippie, he would have been among the hippies in the van. A police report said that Bobby and Harvey were hippies, users of drugs, and car thieves. It's a strange coincidence. It didn't seem to be a secret when it should have been A search of Whitson's extended acrobatic family shows a connection with the OSS, and CIA in their foreign travels with the USO. And it just lingers in cyberspace and in time, becomes accepted as some kind of unshakable truth. He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. I also suspect John Lennon's murder is simply another example of a CHAOS/COINTELPRO operation, to discredit the Beatles and demean opposition to the Vietnam War (as far fetched as it sounds). He had a reason to believe something weird was about to happen at the [Tate] house. saidI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditionsNot if you take into account 2 things > a] the things Manson had actually gone to jail for in the 50s and b] It was the authorities that paroled him. pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. Friday, September 6, 2019 Reeve Whitson William writes: In Tom O'Neill's book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties we learn about Reeve Whitson, a CIA agent disguised as a hippie. In fact, did he even mention the Family ? And, remember, I'm a skeptic who applied critical thinking to every claim in the book. But getting arrested is only the start point of a long and difficult process. Who. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ If LE and the CIA were so powerful, why didn't they just pin it on the innocent ? Those things, and wondering what really went on with William Garretson that night. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? We don't always agree on things but this guy spent what 25 years on this and this crap is all he came up with? Study the case properly, arm yourself with information that is there and you will see why he was not sent back to prison. Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? He dumped bodies in Portland and there are a bunch of missing prostitutes in that time frame in Portland as well. As I have indicated on an earlier thread, according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. Not now, however. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book? Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? According to author Tom O'Neill, Hatami first shared his Charlie encounter story with possible CIA agent Reeve Whitson. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties I came to your officeQ:You will have to talk up a little more loudlyA Yes. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst came between 6:30 and 7:00. In a Rolling Stone article, Paul Krassner wrote, "I had hoped to get confirmation of the heaviest lead in my research. Reeve Whitson? My conclusion, given the research I've done so far, is MY FRIEND"S FATHER KNEW WHITSON (if Whitson existed) and used Whitson's information to disguise himself or Whitson used my friend's father's info to add to his own. I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.The interesting thing about the Hearst times in "HS" is that both in terms of the police report and the court testimony, what is given in the book is inaccurate but not exactly uncheckable and not of earth shattering proportions. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. Note the characters involved.FITZGERALD:Are you in charge of the prosecution of the case of People vs. Manson, et al? Took me 20 years but I wrote a book about what y'all know as - Reddit So he proved his willingness to collude with the Feds. Another to identify | SlotForum Yeah everything's okay, just some stuff I've gotta get thru. Ill bet Sanders is correct. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA An agent for the Central Intelligence Agency moved into a dairy and cotton farming community of 4500 people situated within the San Joaquin Valley of California. Grim saidSanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. I don't know if it's a typo or just laziness. Extensive research and a slew of FOIA requests did not produce a smoking gun or much beyond the shadowy, ill-explained presence around these events of Reeve Whitson, an alleged "intelligence operative." O'Neill also examines the CIA program MKULTRA, which may have gotten him closer to his goalbut not much. Bums don't earn a living with a paying job, they just move from camp to camp and sponge off folks.If Moorehouse lived at Cielo Drive when Melcher was there, it's news to me. That makes absolutely no sense. PDF Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. He was a close friend of Sharon and Jay, and thus the presence of the other hippies at the front door would not have aroused suspicion. When Manson and one of his CIA handlers, Reeve Whitson, rearranged the Tate murders crime scene before anyone else got there, they were literally setting the stage for the upcoming theatrical production. bill on Twitter: "Let's talk about Reeve Whitson." / Twitter I've gotta say, I agree with Mon on this one. William Weston said ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. I found Whitson to be the most interesting of the characters that O'Neill presented. !A beating within an inch of his life! ,fu A+N@Z"1lOE3I1.fna\Yic8$_vm\Q,Q Z c0#%^;xL`770 8T @/ )X G/ Also God bless Steven Kay because I think he's a true advocate for victims he does tend to exaggerate things, Susan killed Sharon, Manson read Nietzsche all the time, dogs ate before people, etc, etc and on the claims of Melcher being at Barker after the murders look at the source, Danny DeCarlo, one of the biggest lying scumbag pieces of shit to ever come down the pike, This whole ONeill book thing is a collection of tin hat conspiracy bullshit timed PERFECTLY to be released within months of the 50th anniversary and the release of the Tarantino, the only "facts" in it are what has already been public knowledge for decades. William Weston said "according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only ones. Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. This cannot be correct. Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. And whenever this 'someone' is challenged to back up whatever cryptic utterances they gush forth, they just utter more of the same and bring in other cases not remotely connected.Yeah, I'm sceptical !So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? More on Reeve Whitson - Zodiac Killer Identified He is asked why he did not revoke Manson's probation earlier and he explains why. I do not believe we will ever know the truthYou have the truth. "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." The only reference to a Reeve Whitson online is to a CIA operative active in central America in the '80s. Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. Are YOU REAL. Anderson was a known handler of CIA operatives after he left government in the early 60s. According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? Ha,ha Ms Katie.Maybe for you "life just gets more better and more clearer"but for me?.NEVERMINDlolMario George Nitrini 111-----The OJ Simpson Case. It came with the house. So that got my train of thought going and I looked into it. So I think, like Mon says, the flag was there and Krenwinkel either didn't notice it or was was lying. 112 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<09006881B058AD42AB4493C3B39AB84E>]/Index[77 63]/Info 76 0 R/Length 151/Prev 264529/Root 78 0 R/Size 140/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream Knowing that his son was going to 10050 Cielo Drive the night before and because of reports that one of the bodies was unidentified (Steve Parent), his worried father called the police. Delivering arms, drugs, people, children were his usual business. He had advance knowledge of the murders at the Tate house, because he had the house under surveillance.William, if this guy was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski, and knew about the murders before they happened, why didn't he warn Tate & Sebring? Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. "I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and after. Why would a person working in a top-secret division of the CIA give his real name and identity out to almost everyone? A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. Ridgway is another scumbag who will never adequately pay for his crimes, that is unless he gets tied to some murders here in Portland. Family, friend, or fan, this family history biography is for you to remember Reeve Whitson. We don't the degree of his involvement or guilt. On the night of the murders, he'd been there and left. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.Vera: Where'd ya learn that, Grim? But again, nobody saw him. He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. I don't advocate people calling you names as has happened on this and another site and in fact, as you know, I defend you on that. For example, Bugliosi states that he learned that Gregg Jacobson arranged for Dean Moorehouse to stay at 10050 Cielo in the period between Terry Melcher leaving and the Polanskis moving in. LAPD were looking for Hatami at the request of Bugliosi because Bugliosi wanted to know if what Rudi Altobelli had told him about Manson turning up at his pad and having been sent there by the people at the main house {and 4 of the 5 Cielo victims were at the house that day} could be corroborated; Bugliosi obviously couldn't get corroboration from Sharon, Jay, Gibbie and Wojiciech and Altobelli had mentioned that he thought Hatami was there that day.Whitson went to Bugliosi's office with Hatami as a friend of Hatami. The Hatami incident would not have taken on such magnitude for them {other than the fact that Bugliosi tried to use it to establish that Manson had seen Tate and vice versa} if Tex and Charlie had been such regular visitors while a Family accolyte actually lived there. The son of an actress and a circus acrobat, Whitson enters our story when Tom O'Neill has Whitson phone Hatami early that Saturday morning we all know so well before anyone else discovered the bodies up on Cielo. He was friends with Jay Sebring and Polanski was a buddy of his, and the Beach Boys--and he met Manson through all this. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. Oh Mario I wasn't even talking about you! You weren't in the Family. Maybe he was there during Sharon's lunch with friends but nobody saw him because he moved too fast. Along with Zamora's book {of whom he is highly critical} and John Baer's wife's book, it is gold dust for seeing the jury's perspective. Whitson told him that Sharon and four others were dead. Reeve Whitson was born March 25, 1931. This whole ONeill book thing is a collection of tin hat conspiracy bullshitThat, Dave, is being pretty generous.It sounds like Shreck writ large but without the 900+ pages. The next morning when he heard about the murders, he was worried his son was among them. Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. Winans was the one who coordinated the Tate-LaBianca killings. It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? Ill bet Sanders is correct. In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. Seems like his job was to insinuate himself into every possible source of information. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. . Mr. O'Neil proposes that Charlie may have been used as a pawn to catch bigger fish, this theory alone really makes this story much bigger. I wonder where Moorehouse got a baby grand. Basically a long winded version of what I said, Chapman said it was there. Ridgways victims were my age, I was in high school through most of it. Hatami directed him to the caretaker's guest house on the other side of the pool, where Rudy Altobelli lived. I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. I've been reading a lot of British footballers autobiographies over the last 18 months and it never ceases to amaze me how people aren't even aware of the dates of certain events in their own lives or the results of matches they are commenting on. Reeve Whitson, Jolly West, Sidney Gottlieb. Anyone that engages with me should by now know that at the very least, notwithstanding my style and sense of humour {or lack thereof !} 3) The intersection of military intelligence, Hollywood and the mob runs directly into the Linkletter family, who were involved in a myriad of legitimate and no so much legit businesses. "pg190Neil Cummings, lawyer friend of Whitson: "when it came to Manson, he "was closer to it than anybody..""He was actively involved with some sort of investigation when it happened. He didn't apply for it. Whitson had worked in Central America during the late 50s, close to the Folger Company's offices (Ecuador?). ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very wellHow would Hatami, who met Bugliosi only a couple of times, and on official business {ID photos, trial} know who Bugliosi knew, well or otherwise ?Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. I do not believe we will ever know the truth. That is assuming I outlive him. It was very tempting to engage in some of the posts, especially with Destroyer of Opinions. Whitson had the Tate house under surveillance, which is how he knew something was going to happen. Grim said: But it's not true. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseAnd he didn't report this to the Police ? William Alexander " Rip " Robertson Jr. (August 3, 1920 - December 1, 1970) [1] was a Central Intelligence Agency Case Officer in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970. Manson's partner left a pair of eyeglasses by the steamer trunks. No way this guy was just there to watch. I agree Beauders. But SMOOOCH to you!!!! CIA was all over the first famous killer, Manson, like flies on shit. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. Sadie ? Sharon Tate's father was military intelligence and headed an off-the-grid task force of sorts aimed at finding out more about his daughter's murder. I wouldn't base any findings on what she says. Even Sharon Tate's father, Paul Tate, was a former Colonel in Military Intelligence and conducted his own investigation. Lazy, perhaps. Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images O'Neill mentions the story of Manson going back to the Tate house with a "mysterious partner." They weren't there particularly long and so people trying to weave the "someone rearranged the scene afterwards" line of thought is onto a loser if they try to utilize the memories of the killers and how they left the scene. He boasted about his activities in South America, for instance his involvement in the capture of Che Guevara . ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's CamaroI'm generally pretty unforgiving of errors in books and it's even more annoying when I happen to know the info that is wrong. Hopefully I can get on in the next couple of days. Supposedly Debra Tate has the manuscript for the book, one of the claims in it was that Paul Caruso was representing Tom Harrigan and when Helder saw the new MDA drug on the to reports he wanted to get a sample analyzed but didn't know where to come by it so he asked Caruso if Hartigan would give him a sample and he did, it's awfully convenient how often Caruso's name pops up in the TLB saga. Is Moorehouse still alive? Someone you don't know, ostensibly on the other side of the world, appears and starts making claims about "HAPPENINGS" at "SPAHN RANCH" when some bikers hung up there at the same time a group of people that spawned a number of murderers. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. There was no reason to send him back.until there was.Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prisonClearly that is not true. Ruth Wilson recently opened up more about why she left The Affair and claimed that she didn't feel safe on set. Correction of typo:[He said] it was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969O'Neill's article can be found on the internet, or you can read about Moorehouse in O'Neill's book on pages 116-119. He is mentioned several times in the papers and documents of Robert B. Anderson, who was Eisenhower's Deputy Secretary of Defense and then his Treasury Secretary. That's not in any doubt. A lot of people who were involved in this event are dead now, some won't talk and others have spoken of what they know. Reeve lived in 1935, at address, Indiana. One learns again that the jury were not sunshine supermen but flawed characters, just like us. Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968.Tom O'Neill writes:But when had Moorehouse taken up residence in the Cielo Home? Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Lotus, Brabham, McLaren, Cooper and a few others joined, but the venture failed because Whitson . Maybe Whit Reeveson is like an imaginary friend. Being arrested is not an offence let alone proof of guilt, let alone a conviction. I neither believe nor disbelieve it although I'm being generous there because you've given me way more reason to disbelieve it. William Weston saidHatamis testimony on Whitson. I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. I've got several comments to make but right now I'm dealing with some personal crap. The flag was put on the couch after she and her co-murderers left, where it would be seen by Winifred in the morning. In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . When he said it, it seemed credible. I have to confess to a certain amusement at the personages you drag out to lend credence to your theories of the moment. O'Neill also quotes the LAPD's Lt. Helder, who refers to Whitson in the book "Five Down at Cielo Dr" under a pseudonym "Walter Kern," confirmed by LaJeunesse. Join Facebook to connect with Reeve Whitson and others you may know. ONeill also was given access to never-before-seen documents showing that DeCarlo said that Melcher made three visits to Spahn Ranch after the murders and spoke with Manson. Chapter 6 - Who Was Reeve Whitson? Is there a pic with the couch with a flag?I can look, but I have to say, I'm just exhausted and will retire for the night.And don't nobody say "yeah". I've always been a massive skeptic- ironically I'm a huge fan of Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. endstream endobj startxref The first car he asked about was Abigail's. He also knew Charles Manson. Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House. I've thought to myself many times:what if one of those girls would have come over and talked with me, would I have "followed-her-around? Multiple people told O'Neill that Whitson was an intelligence agent infiltrating Manson's group as well as the entire Laurel Canyon milieu. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. ONeill got a lot of help for his book from Stephen Kay. Folger, a former air intel officer in WWII, still kept close ties to the government. Jul 13, 2020. And besides, eventually, his officer did begin steps to revoke and when he did, it was for things that could actually be proven and made to stick. I hardly think she was looking at furnishings in the house when Tex "sic'd her" on the residents. Hey grimtraveller,I'm also glad you're backPlease check-out the comments from this blog-posthttp://www.lsb3.com/2019/08/leave-something-witchy.html?m=1pertaining to comments by myself, Bobby, & Ms Katie regarding"The Construction Site. It's a matter of public record, I've seen the court documents but I don't remember where, I think those were the same charges Dean and Tex borrowed Melchers car to drive to court for. Did Statman swipe it from Lt Deemer when she stole all the other stuff from his house? Whitson and Bugliosi then coerced Hatami's testimony by threatening him with deportation. The Manson Murders, JFK, 9/11, and the Psychopathy of Power Paul H. Does anyone have any additional info on Reeve Whitson? I'd never really thought about it but I noticed on various forums people mentioned Moorehouse living at Cielo as though it were a fact then it occurred to me that if such a close associate of the Family lived in Cielo, that would be a pretty significant thing yet I didn't recall the prosecution making any noise about it. HA HA HA!! There are a lot of unanswered questions here. I also was conscious of not rehashing and repeating myself, especially when many of the issues that were brought up, I'd commented on endlessly over the past 4 years. Shahrokh Hatami of course hahahahahahaha. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's Camaro. You ought to get a hold of the trial testimony of his parole/probation officer, Samuel Barrett. LONG before O'Neill's book CHAOS came out, I was tracking Reeve Whitson because his name came up in the ORIGINAL Tate-Labianca trial transcripts. Moorehouse said hed lived at Cielo off and on throughout the summer of 68, when Melcher was there. But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've never said that I read this. (For his part, in an interview with Mr.Hatami while researching this book, Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col.Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi. 1. . From RFK Jr's instagram post on Wednesday's death of Thane Eugene Cesar, prime suspect in his dad's 1968 murder:The LAPD unit (SUS) that investigated my dads assassination was run by active CIA operatives. LOL. -Excerpt from Sharon Tate - A Life by Ed Sanders "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi."
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