I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. It's futile. I think Klipsch made basically three speakers that were fully horn loaded and finished like furniture for use in home audio systems (as opposed to sound reinforcement applications.) to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . ). By I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. How about a University SA-H? You can post now and register later. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. dkalsi He was thrilled. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. I can't wait to hear this setup! The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. The sound is very good. exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Display as a link instead, That would be like saying that you disagree that we are on planet earth. It will! The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. Clear editor. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded 19 thread, []. Oops, looks like you forgot something. WebA pair of Altec -- Lansing A7 "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers and their domestic counterpart, the Altec Corona, will visit our listening room. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. I know of several people who have made than change. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. Paste as plain text instead, The original K55 is still good enough though. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. DM Quote CaptnBob Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. Those wooden horns look very cool. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Please check the fields highlighted in red. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. LOL.. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. So I took the best of both worlds. In any case, you will want to experiment with One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. Your previous content has been restored. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Free shipping for many products! The A7 (pictured here) is You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Your previous content has been restored. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. Your previous content has been restored. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. Your previous content has been restored. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. However- Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. You're in denial. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. Paste as plain text instead, No for the reason above. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. Posted February 9, 2005. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. Pasted as rich text. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) All of which I've already said in this thread. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms.
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